Picarooner

Graeme Raynor
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Joined: 26 Aug 2006

Hi,

This site is a real find for me...so thanks to all the people who have got it together.

I hope there's someone on the site that can help me - I'm thinking about a buying a Picarooner as a boat to introduce my young family to sailing....based on a few sails out of Mylor, it seems ideal as follows:

It's has plenty of room for kids, and is a very confidence inspiring boat for them.

Its quite fun in a blow, even for the kids as it seems very stable, and pretty well ballasted - it feels a much bigger boat than it is.

Its built down the road from where most of my family live and I like the traditional style. I actually live up in the South East, and would be sailing it in the Chichester harbour area (haven't seen one there yet!)

However I've got a few concerns and was hoping for some advice...

It seems a bit underpowered - I know some owners have addressed this putting on greater sail area, and even so I hear , a cutter rig - I'd be really interested if anyone's got any objective views/advice as to how successful any sail area, rig alteration has proven to be. Any views on improving the upwind performance would also be interested

I'd be looking to trail the boat relatively frequently - can anyone advise as to ease of launch/recovery?

Many thanks for any replies received!

Graeme

Tony Nelson
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Log and Video of CRINKER CP55's

roundtrip voyage from Polperro to the Tamar & Brunel Bridges. Aug 2011

http://www.polperro.co.uk/Crinkers%20Log%20Tamar%20Bridge.htm

Tony

Picarooner CRINKER CP55

Tony Nelson
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A Picarooner  video posted by my friend Gilles on the Ille de Groix France.

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/magilan7#p/a/u/0/eovSW30VEG8

Tony

Picarooner CRINKER CP55

Tony Nelson
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Thanks Clive

Hope to see Winnow on the water this season.

all the best

 

Tony

Picarooner CRINKER CP55

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Clive ffitch
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Wow!!! Fantastic footage... really envious!!! The stuff of dreams.

Clive

Tony Nelson
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Chasing Dolphins in a Picarooner

Tony

Picarooner CRINKER CP55

Tony Nelson
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Sometime ago a friend directed me to this video of a French Picarooner on the Ile de Groix it has a dipping lug rig with no bowsprit. It appears in the video at 2:30.

Tony

Picarooner CRINKER CP55

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Tony Nelson
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Hi Clive

Many thanks for the photos and videos.

They arrived in the post today. Excellent quality and resolution.

A real treat to be able to record our special sailing day.

see below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWCu6ZGK9M4

all the best

Tony
Picarooner CRINKER CP55

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Graham Benson
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Joined: 02 Sep 2009

I have tried to talking my crew into being cast of in the dinghy, in middle of the Clyde, with camera (vid and still). I would then sail around so they can take photos and vid. I would then pick them up. But for some reason there not up for it.

 

Graham

 

Clive ffitch
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Magic video of Crinker sailing with Winnow! (well I would say that wouldn't I?!!!) - but seriously, what can I say, not often you get featured on a video with such excellent choice of music, and put together so well. Tony I suspect has been taking lessons from a certain Mr Spielberg. It was certainly excellent Parooner weather, and it was both really enjoyable sailing, and great to meet Tony on the water.

I second the call for a little annual GALA Regattaring at this event!

It really is good to be able to photograph, and these days now to so easily video as well, each others' boats out sailing, and opportunities do not always seem to present themselves without a bit of planning and good fortune. I am sending Tony all the photos of Crinker that I managed to take, including my attempts at videoing that I will also try and get edited together, so I hope they make the grade! Here are a couple of samples of Crinker and Tony at play on the same day...

Happy Sailing!
Clive

 

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Tony Nelson
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Attending the Fowey Royal Regatta Monday 16th August 2010 were
Clive Ffitch aboard Picarooner Winnow CP42 and Crinker CP55.

We had a great day with perfect sailing weather for Picarooners. The wind was recorded by Polruan NCI as gusting to 20knots from the North West.

During the afternoon all the sailing boats sailed to Fowey from Falmouth including a great many gaffers with their colourful topsails.
In the evening there were fireworks for entertainment.

It would be great to make this an annual event for GALA members to meet up.

 Short video clip below

http://www.vimeo.com/14238130

Tony
Picarooner CRINKER CP55


WINNOW CP42

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Clive ffitch
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Hi Tony,
Might just see me! Winnow went in again today, and I'm hoping to get down later tomorrow afternoon sometime if time allows, and I'll keep a weather eye out with camera in hand!

Safe voyage from Polperro!
Best wishes,
Clive

Tony Nelson
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Thank you Clive hope you are well and have managed to have Winnow out.

Crinker will be attending the Fowey Royal Regatta tomorrow. Monday there are Fireworks in the evening.

I am hoping one day to see Winnow on the water and take a few pics of her.

All the best

Tony

Picarooner CRINKER CP55

Clive ffitch
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Hi Tony, another splendid record of your travels - your posts, pics and videos are always great to see, and the next best thing to being on the boat!!!

Clive

Tony Nelson
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Sailing CRINKER to Fowey in Cornwall we pass a modern Gaff Rigged Pilot Cutter.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wTt_jMMv88 

 

for best viewing select 720p HD and make it full screen in YouTube.

 

Tony

Picarooner CRINKER CP55

Geoff Benton-Smith
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Having recently sold my 23 foot FWB to a dredgerman in Mylor, and getting on a bit in age,numerous grandchildren moving back to Cornwall etc,etc I've purchased Picarooner "Badger" from another oysterman. It's lugged rigged with only a main sail, I'm learning fast to sail her but have been thinking of maybe a mizzen sail as well, I'd welcome any advise and indeed sketches or photo's to help make the decision as to authenticity and indeed if its a good idea. Thanks beforehand to any replies.

Regards Geoff B-S

 

 

Steve Lorraine
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Joined: 26 Aug 2006

I enjoyed that as usual !

I think that it's such a shame that there are so many moorings in the Yealm. A beautiful river turned into a boat park. I remember going up the Yealm and having great difficulty in turning the boat around since there were so many moored boats.
Of course if you are desperate for a mooring then the more (should that be 'moor'?) the merrier !

Tony Nelson
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Video Log of Crinkers voyage from Polperro Cornwall to Noss Mayo up the river Yealm in Devon and return.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_WPfaL48uM

Tony Nelson
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Steve Lorraine
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Great stuff once again Tony. Enjoyed the photos, brought back memories of my trip up in the Avon Dinghy. Many thanks for the post. Steve

Tony Nelson
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Crinkers Log

to Lostwithiel Cornwall UK 29th September 2008

http://www.polperro.co.uk/crinkers_homepage.htm

then go to Crinkers Log.

Tony Nelson
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Hi Steve

Thank you for your comments we had a lot of fun going up to Lerryn and hope to do the Loswithiel thing soon weather permitting. I expect you made it all the way to Loswithiel town centre in your avon. I think Crinker will only get as far as the railway bridge due to the height of the mast.

Jason Arthur kindly invited me to sail his Tosher Molly a lovely vessel last week and we both kept an eye open for you and Aelous on the Fal but you must have been away. It was a great day exploring up towards Malpas. Jason pointed out all the main features and attractions and we also saw a large seal up the river.

Molly sailed very well with only Main and Jib. There was plenty of wind so we did not need to set the topsail and staysail. It was a great day and I will look forward to bringing Crinker down their again for a trip to Truro.

all the best for now

Steve Lorraine
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Hi Tony I really enjoy your posts.
Several years ago I went up to Lostwithiel in the Avon. It was a great adventure, will look forward to reading about going there in Crinker. Regards, Steve

Tony Nelson
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Creek Crawling in Crinker from Polperro to Lerryn Cornwall

http://www.polperro.co.uk/Crinkers%20Log%20to%20Lerryn.htm

Tony Nelson
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Picarooner CRINKERS Log

Polperro to Mylor via Falmouth and the river Fal Cornwall

9th & 10th June 2008

http://www.polperro.co.uk/crinkers_homepage.htm

Tony Nelson
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Sailing to Falmouth from Polperro Monday 9th June in CRINKER.

Hope to arrive mid afternoon.

If there are any GALA members around would be great to meet you.

Tony Nelson
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It is believed that the Picarooner LILLY is the oldest Picarooner in existence. Approximately 103 years old. Built in 1905 She is currently being made ready for reconstruction by a boat renovation company at Southdown. Apparently she holds the record for catching Herring where she was loaded to the gunwales with fish which she landed then set straight back out to sea and filled her to the gunwales again. I hope to have some more info on her shortly from the boat builder/shipwright roving commisions. There is a photo of her on the Picarooner Boat Register Via CRINKERS homepage http://www.polperro.co.uk/crinkers_homepage.htm She was found in Exeter Museum and will be Lug rigged.

Tony Nelson
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Log of Picarooner CRINKERs voyage to see the Square Riggers at Charlestown ~ Cornwall

http://www.polperro.co.uk/crinkers_log_17-09-07.htm

Tony Nelson
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Log of PicaroonerCRINKERS voyage from

Polperro to Plymouth and return.

http://www.polperro.co.uk/Crinkers%20Log%203,4-9-07.htm

Steve Lorraine
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This is great stuff Tony.Really enjoy your posts. Steve

Tony Nelson
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Log of Picarooner
‘CRINKER’
4th June 2007

FETCHING THE STONE

http://www.polperro.co.uk/Crinkers%20Log%20Fetching%20the%20Stone.htm

or

Visit CRINKERS Hompage at http://www.polperro.co.uk/crinkers_homepage.htm

Tony Nelson
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Hi Clive

Looking forward to seeing WINNOW on the water.

Fowey is a great spot for some nice short distance out and return cruising, especially when the wind has some North in it.

Will you leave her in the water or are you launching and recovering each day?

If I am not working and you need a hand launching or getting her down there, happy to help, give me a hoy.

Would be great to see a few Picarooners sailing together. I notice there are a couple of others laid up at Penmarlem.

All the best Tony

Clive ffitch
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Hi Tony, this is all making me very jealous, I'm still trying to get Winnow down to the water at Penmarlem, let alone sailing half way round the world (well, Picarooner style anyway!). Meanwhile, I can at least look at your voyage tracks!
Good sailing,
Clive

Tony Nelson
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CRINKERS Log
Monday 9th April 2007

Set off from Polperro destination Polkerris.

Motored in nil wind on a glassy flat sea until just west of Udder Rock.

Here a light breeze was beginning to form from the NW.

Up went the sails and she started to gurgle along at about 2.5 knots.

Other sailing vessels were coming towards me probably from Fowey and they were running with full spinnakers, a promising sight for more wind ahead.

Took a bearing and headed for a touch inside the Cannis south cardinal marker.

In order to make only one tack, CRINKER headed towards Charlestown
until we had enough west to come about and head straight into Polkerris. Anchored there and had lunch.
Set off again in a breeze that was much stronger although light winds had been forecast.

CRINKER kept on a good course after rounding Gribbin Head and heading back for Polperro on a broad reach. Maximum speed 5.7 knots. By the time we were off Lansallos the gusts were well over 20knots close in. Had to drop the Jib and Reef the main for the first time. With only a reefed main set CRINKER was still making 3.5kts and a bit of a handful in the gusts. I was thankful that I had recently added reefing lines to her mainsail.

Went past Polperro as the tide was out on my mooring and started sailing towards Looe. After reaching Talland Bay the gusts were uncomfortably strong so I hove to, dropped the sails and motored around Looe Island. Headed up the Looe river for a short way before heading out and back towards Polperro inside of Looe island. Made it back to Polperro around 7pm and waited for the tide so I could go to my mooring.
Back on the mooring and ashore by 8.15pm.

Distance covered all day was about 27nm. Mean sailing speed of 3.1knots. Spent just over 11 hours aboard Crinker.

Great day although cool at times. Sea was slight to moderate.

http://www.polperro.co.uk/crinker_to_polkerris.htm

Visit CRINKERS Hompage at http://www.polperro.co.uk/crinkers_homepage.htm

Tony Nelson
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After a long spell in the garage I finally put Crinker back in the water at Penmarlem Quay and motored her up to her mooring in Polperro.

http://www.polperro.co.uk/penmarlem%20to%20polperro%20mooring.html

Monday 26th March

Easterly force 3 that day so no chance to sail her and make the tide.

Had a couple of good sails on the following two days as the winds were coming over the back N-NE-NW upto 20 knots so flat seas and little or no swell.

Had her up to 5.1 knots under sail so far. Hope to be tweaking her up over the summer, weather, Tide and work permitting.

Tony Nelson
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Thanks Jason

Pleased to hear she will steer well without the rudder attached.

The depth of the rudder will not now really bother me as I don't anticipate sailing her onto a beach I will just remove the rudder and use the motor before entering any shallow waters.

My sailing will primarily be on the ocean anyway.

After reading your grounding story and losing your rudder I have now attached a lanyard that allows the rudder to pop off without going adrift.

I did not want to put a split pin/cotter pin in as it may cause unnecessary damage.

Jason Arthur
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Joined: 26 Aug 2006

Hi Tony

I've used your boat quite sucsessfully around Mylor Marina and Martins yard without the use of her rudder. If anything she was more responsive with just her engine steering.

I still thick the oversize rudder is a problem!

Regards
Jason

Tony Nelson
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Hi Roger

Would be interested to see any pictures you have of your short shaft in place.

Or any pictures of your modified rudder.

After putting my mooring down. I now have to consider my long shaft motor and standard rudder arrangement as my mooring drys out on mud and small flat stones. I have been considering leaving some weight on the Port side so she heels over to port when drying out. However this may be impractical. Would hate to be having to remove the motor after every day.

I would also be interested to know if you have ever tried motoring with your short shaft and no rudder.

or if anyone has tried motoring with a long shaft and no rudder. Is it possible to manouver with a long shaft alone. Turning to Starboard seems ok but how about turning to Port?

Have not had the time to experiment as yet but I am hoping to be able to remove the rudder when coming into my moorings and steer with motor alone. My motor is about level with the keel, the rudder is the standard 4" below and there are usually a good few mooring lines to avoid.

Perhaps someone would like to share their experiences.

Roger Stephens
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Yep, the Picarooners are fairly heavy for their size and their relatively small sail area requires a good even blast of wind to propel them with any sense of excitement: but then consider that the originals were built for a purpose which demanded stability and enough (but no more) sail to undertake inshore line fishing or, occasionally, small netting.

When martin heard was searching for a small, safe, well proven boat of about 16ft to add to his fleet, he came across a Picarooner which he purchased as a plug from which he created a mould; it is from that mould that all our Picarooners have originated.

When I was considering the acquisition of a Picarooner (I have "Seraph") I was aware that several owners had regarded them as being somewhat under-powered for their purposes. I was also aware that several people had experienced difficulties when launching and recovering due to the depth and location of the outboard motor and, in addition, with the rudder:
the lowest point of a long-shaft outboard protrudes some 4 1/2" beneath the keel and it can, therefore, catch on various things.; furthermore, if you wish to beach a Picarooner, then it is usually necessary to release the clamps and even lift-out the engine before the boat reaches terra firma.
By the same token, in the case of some Picarooners the bottom of the rudder extends beneath the keel, so creating another hazard, especially when beaching.

I also wished to do-away with having to lift the mast in and out of its socket every time I needed to stow it, so, with thinking-cap firmly in place, four modifications had to be made:

1) To increase the sail area without generating undue leaverage by increasing the height of the mast, or having to locate the mast further aft to compensate for a larger foresail, I fitted a 17sq ft mizzen (just like the original Picarooners had!). It works brilliantly.
2) The mast would be either raised in to a hinged gate, or the mast had to be stepped in a tabernacle: I chose the latter so that I had an automatic strong-back (for the cover) once it was down.
3) I chose a short-shaft outboard rather than the long-shaft (with which the Picarooner is normally supplied). It grips the water and propels the boat perfectly well (no need now to lift it out when beaching etc).
4) Fitted a lifting rudder which can be raised when approaching shoal-water, a beach or a trailer

The Picarooner is a super little boat with an interesting history of its own, but it was not designed with trailer-sailing in mind; had it have been, then perhaps the modifications described above would have been made from the outset (as was, say, the very versatile Drascombe Lugger). I have made Martin Heard aware of these thoughts but, so far, to no avail. As aresult, I still receive messages from new owners who want to overcome the kind of issues which you have encountered!

If you would like photos etc, just let me know, Best wishes Roger.

Colin Stroud
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Tony, thanks for sharing your experiences with your new boat and for the pictures and the very impressive route graphic! Sailing in the winter months can be very rewarding!

Colin

Steve Lorraine
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Thanks for posting your track log and the photos. Great stuff. Hopefully we shall soon be able to post directly to the forum.
Merry Christmas to all. Steve.

Tony Nelson
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A Visit to Clovelly

I had to visit Clovelly to see where the Picarooners originated.

Took a few low resolution pictures that may be of interest. You are welcome to upload them to the gallery if the quality is good enough.

There were two Picarooners one in the entrance hall to Clovelly and one on the pebbly beach in the harbour.

http://www.polperro.co.uk/picarooners_in_clovelly.htm

A Merry Christmas and a Happy sailing new year to all.

Tony Nelson
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Picarooner CRINKER Log

20th December 2006

Launched from Penmarlam Quay on a very frosty morning with a light to moderate East to NE wind.

Motored from Fowey to Polperro as it was headwind and upto a four foot swell all the way.

Wanted to try out the Picarooner on the open ocean rather than estuaries and lakes. She handled well with the occasional fountain spraying up through the centerplate hole.

Sailed back in the afternoon in a ENE light wind. Running was too uncomfortable so spent most of the time on broad reaches.

Very pleasant and relaxing on the return trip with a following sea, light winds and a beautiful sunset. My timing was off a bit due to the light winds but arrived back at the slip just before dark.

I had the main sail set with the peak halyard eased a bit to make the sail fuller and make the most of the light wind.

On the whole enjoyed the day greatly. It was a little earie though as there were no other boats at sea except two large tankers and nearly all the moorings in the Fowey river had no boats on them.

Tracklog Link Below

http://www.polperro.co.uk/Crinker%20Tracklog%2020-12-06.htm

Distance covered 15.2 nm
Max Speed 6.1 Knots
Time out 10.46 to 12.05
12.25 to 4.25 return

CRINKER back in the garage now until late February can't wait for the 2007 season.

Clive ffitch
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Hi Graeme,

I launch and recover my picarooner Winnow, by myself, usually on a fairly steep launch ramp, and find it quite easy. The worst bit is sometimes having to give the bowsprit/bows a hefty nudge (steamin' great shove!) to get it to roll down on the centre rollers. Jason's idea of lowering the side rollers a touch I haven't tried, but will see if it helps... I guess the problem is that the picarooner, being a nice sturdy well found boat for it's size, is quite heavy for the rubber rollers, and when left on the trailer, compresses them a little, thus increasing the shove-factor required.

I usually immerse the trailer on this particular slip (Penmarlem Quay, Fowey) to just cover the wheels, such that the aft end just starts to want to float. A moderate shove, and she is off.

As to outboard and rudder, I have never had to remove them to launch, and on a decent slip, neither to recover. The only mod I am considering, is to fit a couple of docking arms on a couple of handy holes on the axle box section, to aid recovery in cross winds/tides. When recovering, I can bring the boat gently onto the prepositioned trailer, and exit boat over bows onto trailer, without getting feet too wet. Wellies will keep above water if you do it right, or just do it the wet feet way.

Then winching on the last bit, after ensuring that all is central, is then straight forward. Literally. Secure with extra line in case winch has a mare while driving back up slip, and boat will be nicely safe ashore again.

Watch your trailer bearings if you tow any road distances, especially if wetted by salt water. Use decent marine grease, and wash in fresh afterwards, or whenever practical.

Launch and recovery on shallow slips is fun. The shallowest I have had is West Mersea on the east coast. I think the technical term for the gradient was "flat". In this case, do not expect to remain dry. Expect instead to turn trailer into submarine, and wheel to sea until boat eventually shows signs of floating, and, well, floats off. The best tip then is to say that when you get in the boat and go sailing, don't forget the trailer you may have left half a fathom below you.

Recovery on shallow slips is the reverse, but you do not of course have to immerse as much, and the winch can help out a lot. Just remember that if beaching the boat at anytime, on shallow slip or sandy beach, the rudder bottom is below keel level, and may pop out of it's mounts. Keep a lanyard attached for safety!

Picarooners are lovely boats - I hope you find one you like.

Sally Coward
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Hi Graeme

The Picarooner is an ideal family boat, stiff and safe. One member did install a fairly large genoa and got a better windward performance. I am not sure whether you wish to be beating hard up to windward with your family on board. We had a Picarooner for five years.

When launching you will need to take out the motor and the rudder. An obvious word of caution, you need to be very carefull launching the boat on a steep slipway at low tide with the use of ropes. We have seen a number of near accidents at Mylor and, indeed, a child was killed there last year when a boat ran away.

We were recently at the Multihull Centre, Millbrook, Plymouth, and saw an old Picarooner 'Puffin' for sale.

Please keep us informed and if you buy a boat we hope you will join the association.

Sally and Martyn

Jason Arthur
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Hi Greame

The forum should be a breath of fresh air during the winter months when all our boats are tucked away.

I've launched my Picarooner (Dawnie) at 5 different sites now. Most frseh water slips are quite shallow so I always let the 4x4 go in as far as posible. On shallow slips and low tides it is always best to let the trailer side rollers down a couple of inches. If you do'nt the boat just stays beached on the rollers. You should not be frightened to take the trailer of the towbar in these situations (make sure you have boat and trailer on ropes). The easiest launches are usally on high tide. I never have a problem bringing Dawnie back onto her trailer, as far as to say it is easier to drag her out off the water.

I've never considered making the sail area bigger as I believe the Picarooner has a good package for all weathers. In many sails I've only had to reef her in the once.

I believe with a longer bowsprit Picarooners will take a bigger jib.

Regards

Jason Arthur (DawnieCP55)


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